The “Occupy Wall Street” (OWS) protests occurring in the United States have become a major preoccupation for a whole range of interest groups.
The protests are a cry of pain from people who are suffering as a result of the current global economic situation. Many of them are unemployed, see future prospects of employment as bleak and simply do not know what hit them or how it should be fixed. They are voicing their legitimate right to protest and demand a solution. Their problem is genuine and their approach is honest.
Using that as a backdrop, many people with vested interests are seeking to push through their own ideological agendas and pretend to understand what the protesters are really asking for – which would require incredible powers of divination because the protesters themselves don’t know what they are asking for.
It is particularly intriguing that those who are most vociferous in advocating the OWS cause are also the ones who were just as vociferous in opposing the “War on Terror” on the grounds that it was ridiculous to have a war on an abstract quantity such as “terror”. I am curious to know how exactly these individuals interpret the equally abstract term “Wall Street”. Against whom do the mind-reading pundits think the protests are targeted? ALL investment banks? All investment AND commercial banks? Only the CEOs? Or only those who have actually done something crooked or wrong?
In this post, I will express my opinion on some of the common arguments made against the financial sector. These are real arguments one often gets to hear and not imaginary “straw men” that I have concocted for my own convenience.
One frequently heard grouse is about the magnitude of CEO salaries. There are those who think there are “fair” levels of compensation. But how much money an individual makes is purely a function of demand and supply. I might think that Himesh Reshammiya does not deserve even a penny for the “entertainment” he churns out but I cannot decide how much he earns. The market determines that. There is no point in my trying to point out how “unfair” that is.
The argument against CEO packages is often sought to be bolstered by the claim that the tax payers bailed out several financial institutions. But the main reason the government stepped in was to protect the common man whose savings would have evaporated had the institutions been allowed to fail. So the taxpayers were actually helping themselves and not evil old “Wall Street”. Also, (correct me if I am wrong) many if not most institutions that were given such financial assistance have repaid the Treasury, with a handsome return on the people’s investment. To that extent, the profits are also public, contrary to the claim that gains are privatized and losses are socialized. Even if that claim were true, the responsibility for such a policy lies with the government and not with “Wall Street”.
There are those who demand higher tax rates for the rich. As always, this is a proposal that is acclaimed as a “fair” method of generating funds for the state. Scott Adams correctly points out that “fairness” is a mythical concept and people invariably pursue their own interests, conveniently choosing to ignore the benefits they get. There is no such thing as a “fair” tax rate. Assuming we are operating in a democracy, there is always a conflict between “majoritarianism” and private interests. The majority has the votes. The private interests have the funds. The law makers need both. Usually, some sort of a compromise solution is devised.
And, finally, there are those who opine that “fairness” is all about creating a level playing field where no one gets an unfair advantage. That is a noble ambition. I too would like to live in a world where the most talented actress gets the part and not the one who performs her audition on the casting couch and the most qualified candidate gets the job and not the one who was the nephew of the hiring manager. But, again, the responsibility for setting the rules lies with the government and the regulators. So why vent on “Wall Street”? Why not “Occupy Capitol Hill”? Or “Occupy the White House”? Or the Fed or the SEC?
If there is credible reason to believe that any individuals or organizations broke any laws, there is always a process of investigation that can be initiated. And, indeed, as the cases of Bernie Madoff, Raj Rajaratnam and Rajat Gupta indicate, action has been taken where warranted. But complaints based on gut feel just because someone seems to have made a lot of money are meaningless. It does not make any sense to force fit one’s favorite ideological bugbear into the contours of a knee-jerk reaction by the “have nots” against those who are perceived to be the “haves”.
I am sure there are some individuals on Wall Street who have committed irregularities and they should definitely be brought to book. But that is just one problem faced by the United States. It is not by any means the biggest problem. Portraying it as such is nothing but an attempt to divert attention from the real issues. I could talk about the ever-increasing American dependence on oil, the gargantuan expenditure on needless wars, the changing global landscape that is constantly taking low-end jobs away from the US and the burgeoning fiscal deficit that is a consequence, inter alia, of populism overtaking pragmatism. But those are just symptoms.
The most serious problem facing that country is an electorate that evaluates political candidates, not on their administrative capability or economic policies, but on their views on abortion, homosexuality, guns and religion. Such a society will get the government it deserves and should not be surprised to find itself trapped in an economic mire. The only real tragedy is the impact it has on the rest of the world.

You say "many people .. pretend to understand what the protesters are really asking for – which would require incredible powers of divination" and then, in the same sentence you assert, without substantiation - "because the protesters themselves don’t know what they are asking for". I suppose you have "knowledge" of this because you possess those very same "incredible powers of divination"?
ReplyDeleteYou say "I am sure there are some individuals on Wall Street who have committed irregularities and they should definitely be brought to book." But when protesters say they are sure of precisely the same thing, you call it "gut feel". Is your certainty based on evidence? Or gut feel? Has it occurred to you that the outrage of the protesters just might be based on this exact same sense of certainty that you possess?
How come your certainty is certainty and their certainty dogma? How come your powers of divination are accurate and others' wrong?
In debates on religion and morality you take pains to show that atheists are more moral than religious nuts. But here you say fairness is a mythical concept (a la Loch Ness monster perhaps?) In that case, so is cheating. By corollary, so is the concept of right and wrong. By extension, so is the concept of ethics, on which the entire system of justice anywhere in the world is based. Are you suggesting we debunk these myths, expose them as idle superstition of "intellectuals" and "ideologues" and get down to the basic jungle law of "might is right"?
You say "If there is credible reason to believe that any individuals or organizations broke any laws, there is always a process of investigation that can be initiated." Yes, there have been investigations, and many banks have agreed civil settlements with the regulators. Unfortunately these cases are not as simple as Madoff and Rajaratnam and don't lend themselves to straightforward prosecution as in those cases. The business of derivatives, MBS and CDOs is far too complex and the smart players in the market are always many steps ahead of the regulator. For a more detailed analysis, read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-judson/occupy-arrests_b_1034907.html
1. My contention that the protesters do not know what they want is based on the fact that they do not have a specific charter of demands. Once they come up with such a charter (a la Team Anna), I will gladly revise my statement.
ReplyDelete2. There is a difference between saying that *some* people have committed irregularities and railing against “Wall Street”. Without clear charges against specific persons, general complaints have no value. As you said, periodic audits by regulators do highlight breaches and that process should continue and be strengthened.
3. There is no absolute, objective and independent standard of “fairness”. Right and wrong, good and bad, are notions that human beings develop over time through social consensus. There is probably broad agreement that killing is bad. Yet, we make exceptions in the case of self defense. And we are not able to reach any consensus on capital punishment or euthanasia. You can have your own views on whether euthanasia is right or wrong and have reasons to support your stance, but you cannot claim that your position is justified on the grounds of “fairness” – simply because there is no consensus on that topic. Where there is no consensus, the process of discussion has to continue. If one side manages to convince the other, we are closer to consensus. If not, we reach a mutually agreeable compromise or agree to disagree. But no side can rightfully claim that its position is “fair”.
4. Either the bankers are complying with regulations or they are not. If they are, you cannot fault them. If you want more stringent regulations, lobby with the regulators with specific demands. But do not tar everyone on Wall Street with a vague and arbitrary brush. And if you need to put more knowledgeable and competent regulators in place, do so.
"They don't know what they want" is different from "They're not making specific demands". If you meant the latter, you should have said so. Otherwise, your comment is misleading.
ReplyDeleteMoreover, I disagree that they're not making specific demands - they're demanding an end to crony capitalism and the restoration of meritocracy. That is there for all to see who can see it, except for those who choose not to see it (and instead choose to focus on the vagueness emanating out of the half-crazy fringes of the movement). They just don't have solutions to offer. That doesn't make their protest - or demand - invalid.
An abused child can protest the abuse without being specific and without offering solutions. It's up to the adults to make sense out of it, if they care at all.
If there's a robbery in your house, and you don't know who the thief is, how would you like it if the cops told you "Without clear charges against specific persons, general complaints have no value"? OWS protesters are making a clear charge of cheating. They just don't know exactly who and exactly how. Just because the protesters don't understand the derivatives business well enough doesn't make their complaint "valueless".
It's one thing to say that fairness is a subjective notion and quite another to say that is mythical. The former is not a value judgment, the latter is - it has a negative connotation. If you meant the former, you should have said so, otherwise it is a misleading comment.
There's no "absolute, objective and independent standard" to morality per se - I have argued this for a very long time. But if all laws needed a "consensus", we'd have to wait forever, since there would almost always be dissent on almost any proposed law - especially when it comes to regulating complex financial transactions. The meaning of "fair and just" in the constitutional sense is quite clear (as clear as "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"), and in the absence of a better definition, we need to go by what has been defined as "fair and just" in this sense and everything that derives from it. There could always be ambiguities and gray areas and these need to be sorted out through litigation.
In this specific case, a combination of extensive deregulation and complexity of underlying products/ transactions has made it very difficult to pursue litigation or prove criminal malfeasance. This doesn't mean that there was no wrongdoing. And if you insist on taking that view you're welcome to it.
I agree that it is unfair to isolate and target a profession per se, and in that sense I do not support the invectives hurled at "Wall Street". However, to me this is a minor point, focusing on which takes away from the important issues underlying these protests.
I also agree that it's time for regulatory reforms. I believe people are already working on it. I tend to think that if the protesters see any credible signs of action being taken they would discontinue their protests.
1. Merely saying that it “is there for all to see” does not make it self-evident that the protesters are demanding a “meritocracy” – whatever that means in practical terms. Someone else could just as easily say, “It is obvious that the protesters want huge taxes to be applied on Wall Street firms and executives and that the funds so raised should be given to them as dole so that they can continue to be idle parasites living off the earnings of those who are productive”. In the absence of specific demands from the protesters, anything that anyone says is purely speculative and is nothing more than a reflection of the ideological bias of the person indulging in that speculation. If the protesters do know what they want, I am not sure what is stopping them from making their demands clearly known.
ReplyDelete2. It is one thing for me to go the police when my house is robbed. It is quite another for me to camp outside your house and start an “Occupy the Puthli Residence” campaign because I suspect (without any evidence) that you are cheating on your taxes. Just what does your alleged tax evasion have to do with the robbery in my house? I disagree with the implicit assumption that the alleged misdemeanors of “Wall Street” have anything to do with the situation that the protesters find themselves in.
3. Because “fairness” as a concept is subjective, I will not call it “real”. I rely on evidence and objectivity to regard something as real. That is why I continue to maintain that fairness is a myth. What is generally regarded as “fair” is just something on which there is broad agreement in principle. That does not make it “real” in an objective sense. And if there is no broad agreement in principle, it is all the more unjustifiable for anyone to claim that a particular stance is “fair”.
4. Who said that consensus is required for something to become law? If that were the case, we would not have in place so many laws that have been thrust upon various minorities all over the world by the brute force of the majority. All I am saying is that for something to be universally regarded as “fair” to the extent that word has any meaning (for example “Thou shalt not kill”), there has to be a broad level of consensus and acceptance.
To better understand what exactly OWS protesters are saying, I suggest you catch up on your research of the coverage on OWS. I haven't been there in person, but I've read numerous accounts and watched videos of those who have. If you need links I could provide some.
ReplyDeleteOWS doesn't have a "charter of demands", agreed, but there is a common theme of demands that emerges out of the mainstream OWS movement. And yes, that common theme is fairly clear for anyone to see, through the noise and clutter (e.g., demands like legalizing marijuana etc.). The common theme is about cheating, and the collusion of business and politics that has led to the economic crisis. You may agree with that view, or you may disagree with it. That's entirely up to you. But you can't say "it is not there", only because there's no manifesto signed in triplicate. What the heck, you could even say "it is not there" and mean it! That's your prerogative. There are many "Flat Earth"-ists still around. I shall not labor this point further.
And BTW Anna Hazare didn't have a charter of demands - they had an alternative solution called Jan Lok Pall Bill, and their single demand was/is that their solution be implemented. Minor point, since you brought it up earlier.
You missed my point (on "value" of complaints), which had nothing to do with tax evasion or the occupy movement. I was challenging your statement - "Without clear charges against specific persons, general complaints have no value" - per se, without reference to any specific context, to show that law enforcement does not require you to name a specific person in order to consider your complaint as valid.
By your definitions of reality and myth, morality is "mythical" too. So is justice. Fine.
On consensus - A BROAD (as you put it) consensus automatically implies that not everybody agrees with it, and that's what I am saying. There will always be other views, different from the consensus. It doesn't make those views invalid or illegitimate. On the contrary, such views must be heard. Let's remember that most of the major social and legal reforms in history started out as being the "subjective" opinion of a few individuals, which later became mainstream. There was a time when slavery was considered as fair and just, even by the people who drafted the US constitution. If we didn't have a few contrarians who challenged that notion, the world would have been a different place today. Which is why it becomes important to listen to different "subjective" views of fairness and justice, especially if they challenge the BROAD consensus.
1. Whether the protesters have a generic complaint about “cheating” or a specific complaint against any entity, the logical thing for them to do is to petition the authorities. Targeting “Wall Street” is, in my opinion, inappropriate because, as I said in my post, there are multiple factors that are responsible for the economic situation in the US.
ReplyDelete2. “Fairness” is a myth just as “free will” is. In an illusory manner, it may *appear* to our intuitions to be real. In some cases, it may even be practical for us to *assume* it is real. But that does not mean it *is* real.
3. I fully understand that many social reforms are driven by a call for change by a few individuals. Such movements can progress in different ways:
a. Change does not happen
b. Change happens, and creates a better environment (e.g. abolition of slavery)
c. Change happens, but makes things worse (e.g. Marxism, Maoism)
Only time will tell how things will turn out in this case.
Clearly, we are on totally different wavelengths here. I don’t see anything coming out this discussion so I’m outta here.
Fair enough, let's not discuss this further.
ReplyDeleteI'm sharing this one link here, that I think you may find interesting. Cheers.
http://reason.com/archives/2011/10/20/the-moral-foundations-of-occup/singlepage